i karaoked, i played in the empty conference rooms, i got out before having to see too much of the corporate juggler. oh and i had some beer, which i am told ran out too fast for a lot of people's tastes. is there anything else we need to discuss?
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Mon, November 10, 2003 - 7:51 AM> i got out before having to see too much of the corporate juggler.
Which corporations did he juggle? Or was he just juggling numbers from corporate books?
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Mon, November 10, 2003 - 9:18 AMAt least the Corporate Juggler entertained, what'd you do?
BTW, if you didn't think there was enough beer/wine/food/etc, you should have done what I did, bring a cooler with at least a case of beer, at least one bottle of wine and some food that you made, otherwise STFU and quitcherbitchin!
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Mon, November 10, 2003 - 11:49 AMhey i wasn't bitchin bout the beer -- that was sheer reportage. if i had been bitchin i would have complained that there was beer at all, and not hard liquor! -
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 2:31 AMYa didn't answer the question...
What'd you bring to the party?
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 3:23 AMI look forward to seeing one of your films
at the next tribe open house.
... where I'll gladly drink more beer,
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 5:38 AMMike. Can you please explain why you're suddenly a corporate juggler? Were you sharing secrets with this Yahoo to which I wasn't privy? -
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 10:39 AMWell, I have done many facets of entertainment in my career, from street performing to nightclubs, festivals and trade shows, but right now my bread and butter are corporate parties.
Clearly Gordon was at some event I was hired for, and like saying you saw someone at a New Kids on the Block concert-
it means you were there too.
If there's such an issue with corporations, then tell me how one might manage to extract one's self entirely from the matrix. Even if you don't draw an income from them as I do, many supplies for artists are made by corporations, transported by other corporations, and sold by another corporation.
It's one thing if you are a painter who mixes down your own oil paints, from readily available natural materials, but how does a filmmaker extract one's self? Even if you process your own film, someone had to make it... If you run on a straight digital platform, someone had to make the camera, and the computer that you edit on, unless you're still splicing by hand- which somehow I doubt. Nice Sony camera you're using in the photo on your website, Gordon!
It's a baseless arguement that holds no water, only serves to feed some exclusionary attitude of superiority. Using the tools of the empire to say how bad the empire is while dutifully feeding the beast is not going to change much, when strong messages get diluted by the second or third chapter in the series of what didn't need a sequel.
How much did that attitude cost? Four years of art school, (funded in part by grants from corporations) which had gear donated by corporations to teach young filmmakers to use their software over another, on computers from a third corporation?
Whatever.
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 11:16 AMTouché!! -
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 12:45 PMSorry folks,
next time I'll reach for the flyswatter
instead of the cannon.
Sometimes the boom is just so satisfying....
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 1:11 PM> I do what I love and get paid for it.
And the value of that cannot be underestimated. I wish to God I could figure out how to get there. Congratulations, Mike! -
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 1:13 PMKA-BOOM!!!! Yeah. That was fun. :D -
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 2:04 PMi meant that the juggling bit felt to me like entertainment a corporation would hire to regale the troops at a motivational retreat.
whatever i think - -don't get too worked up about it folks. in answer to what did i bring to the party, i'd say a michievious spirit, even if i can't (ms) spell it. which some people might call starting trouble or talking shit. you can't tell tone of voice, inflection or any of that over email, that's one reason ive been dubious of it -- and definitely one reason why FLAME wars start.
hey, in answer to mike's suggestion, i'd be honored to have one of my movies screen at the next open house. maybe it could be the warm up to mike's act, if he would be so kind.
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 6:36 PMI can understand that, as yes, I did have to hype the crowd a bit to make an audience out of a party. You probably would've liked it by the time I shut up and started throwing things! More visual, less hype.
Next round I might stand down, or wait for the afterparty elsewhere to play, so I can do some fireeating in my full show.
I'd love to see your films, checking out your site made me curious.
Also, I got less than one full beer, can't juggle drunk and when I was done it was gone...
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Sun, November 16, 2003 - 9:15 AM
btw, i recall reading in the orginal invite msg something to the effect that "no mimes need apply" to the party. in fact, i distinctly remember something about "mime stomping music."
why is it okay to express distaste for mime but not juggling?
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Fri, November 14, 2003 - 2:10 PM
btw i started this thread to play with what seemed like the navel gazing self congratulatory aspect of this tribe. really, why don't we have a "i'm part of the i was at the tribe open house tribe" tribe?
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Sat, November 15, 2003 - 11:34 PM"really, why don't we have a "i'm part of the i was at the tribe open house tribe" tribe"
HAHAHAHAHA
I'm with you, Gordon. Elsewhere I posted words to the effect that this alleged "party" was a corporate event designed and engineered to end early. Four kegs of beer for 300-400 people? Bah humbug, I say. No party lighting, crappy music. No chairs or couches. Suck suck suck suck
I got drunk with some younger guys who signed up with Tribe THAT DAY merely for the free beer. We hung out in the conference room and made fun of everyone else in the true juvenile deliquent spirit. Now that's extreme honesty for ya.
It's nothing against tribe.net as a site or a company. I like this site, otherwise I wouldn't be here. It's just that the party did not live up to the reasonable expectations of fun-ness. And I never signed any agreement to provide entertainment or "bring something" to the party. Last time I checked, that's the host's job, is it not? No one said anything about a covered dish as requirement for admission.
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Sun, November 16, 2003 - 6:09 AM
yo dr., thanks for the props. as for genlock, yeah i've given up on it. let the host of the party provide house sync (if not house music), i say ... -
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Sun, November 16, 2003 - 8:33 AMWhiners, the lot of you! -
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Sun, November 16, 2003 - 9:04 AM
Dear Abby,
i have on a few occasions found myself a guest at a "party" (in the ever expanding sense of that world that encompasses our new lifestyle of online or "virtual" community) at which me and some of my fellow guests seem to be at odds. it seems like they want to "have fun" one way, and i want to have fun doing something else.
rather than just wearing a smiley face and saying things like "cool party" and "lets see some pics!" and "did everybody connect with everyone they wanted to connect with?" i also enjoy raising issues and examining practices -- in other words, the process of critique. this for me is rewarding and meaningful -- or i could couch it in terms my fellow party goers might understand, and say that for me it's "fun" and "entertaining."
now, i don't want to offend anybody. and i've taken pains to dull the edge of critque with humor and also by trying to implicate myself in whatever critique i am raising (and look, i am, after all, at the party to begin with!). and i have met some cool people who (at the risk here of offending again) want to go beyond the innocuous level of the one-liner and the emoticon. but it's still vaguely niggling, those other people that still don't seem to "get it."
Dear Abby, what is the proper etiquette for handling such a situation? should i politely excuse myself and go throw my own tribe, er, party, for people who want to have deep conversations? or should i keep trying to win my fellow party goers over? the former smacks to me of admitting defeat. i'd really like to get along with people, but on a deep, not superficial or casual level. do you think i need to sacrifice one to have the other?
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Sun, November 16, 2003 - 2:53 PMOh puleeez! Don't imply that I'm anti-critique. That would just be silly. If you ever sat in my class for a day, you'd know that for sure. I guess my feeling is that Tribe put on a party for us that was free, and for me, Tribe = the people on it. Yeah, dissent is fine, but I just feel like we were given a gift that *so* didn't need to be given, and the Pollyanna in me was just pleased as punch. I don't mean to silence you. I just feel differently in this instance. I feel grateful as hell that I could fly across the country and meet about 30 people live that I'd only known before in my Pyooter. :D -
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Sun, November 16, 2003 - 3:11 PM
that's cool abby. i wish i had met you.
maybe next time ...
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